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Monday, February 27, 2006

O Boys Need To Start In O-Town

Hed-O & dark-O,need to be starters now! Darko is our best big-man,i love dwight but darko does so many things well offensively that dwight has to take a back seat when it comes to darko,but b/c of dwights low post game,i wouldnt start anyone else beside's dwight playing along side darko,the last two games have shown that if dwight and darko play together as starters,this will probably be the last season for the next 10 years that we dont make the playoffs! Hedo is our best perimeter player,grant would get the claim if he was injury free over the last 5 years,but hedo's three point shooting & freethrow shooting make him our most dangerous player,its hard to believe that our best players dont get best player minutes,just like dwight with darko,grant would be the player that i would start with hedo,the reason is simple,in both cases the players compliment each other,while having our best players on the court at the same time! Darko plays the outside while dwight plays the inside,darko can shoot and pass,while dwight uses his drop steps and dunks on poeple all night long,hedo plays the outside and can take it to the basket,and grant has a hell of a mid range game and we've seen still has that killer first step taking it to the basket,grant as a two guard would also allow him to be alot more aggressive,and would allow hedo guard the lesser of perimeter opposition around the league,while grant becomes our stopper! These four players on any other team probably would start,but b/c BSH is loyal to uninjured players we may never see our best four together,IT WILL BE A SHAME!

14 Comments:

  • At 11:39 AM, Blogger Big Figure said…

    My Goal: Somehow,someway,getting these four together as starters,we still need scoring off the bench,so keyon should probably start with those four,then carlos can still be the spark off the bench,starting point guard doesnt have to score,defending is the number one job of the point guard b/c he's the frontline of your defense,and at 6ft3 keyon has the most size and has proven unselfish,with grant,hedo,dwight and darko on the floor as starters,there would be plenty of scoring to offset for the defense and lack of scoring the point guard is giving you,so there would be no reason to start anyone else but keyon even when jameer comes back,when arroyo comes off the bench his job is to score b/c he's playing with the second unit,so thats why hes had some great games lately,not that he isnt a good player,but in that role its alot easier to make an impct b/c you dont have to think,just shoot,when steve was here starting and keyon would come in to replace him in a reserve role,keyon usually played better than steve,and a few time scored points similar to how arroyo is getting his points,but now that keyon has become the starter his offense has gone down,which is OK if your not starting deshawn & battie,but with all three on the floor,not many points was being scored on a good defensive team,hedo and darko replacing them i'm sure all of us will agree would score more points than deshawn and tony with their eyes closed,and in a more dominating way,three point plays for darko,and some three pointers from hedo,that would compinsate for keyon not scoring a whole bunch,but his defense on opposing point guards is priceless,carlos is great as a back-up when he gets good minutes,but you put him out there with the starters and you bottle him up b/c he has to defer to post guys when you start the game,thats what makes him such an effective scorer,playing with the second unit allows him to be free! Bottom line is grant and dwight are our best inside scorers/defenders,hedo and darko are our best outside shooters/defenders,and keyon is our best pressure on the ball not letting teams get into offenses with his size,thats the starting five that needs to be playing major minutes!

     
  • At 12:59 PM, Blogger OVERWADED said…

    I'm right there with you big figure. We only differ with Dooling and Arroyo. We both know it's obvious that Carlos is a better offensive player the Dooling, but I still think he is a better passer, on the ball defender, and leader. He's just better all around than Dooling in my book. Dooling is perfect for energy off the bench like a D Armstrong, but Arroyo as of today, should be starting and playing major minutes. Things might get confusing when Nelson comes back, but until that day I see no debate on who the PG should be. As far as talking about why Arroyo has been effective; his most effective minutes have been when he's playing with our best players. He flat out runs the offense. He's out there with the starting 4(Darko, Dwight, Hill, Hedo) you want, and it's works beautifully. Hedo didn't get any shots until Arroyo hit the floor with him. Anyway, I gotta head out, those were just my thoughts. At least we have options, none of which are bad. All of our PG's bring something different in a positive way. We'll see what happens...

     
  • At 1:41 PM, Blogger Big Figure said…

    Intro your 100% right about the deference between keyon % carlo offensively,but i think that b/c keyon is bigger and has a little more attitude,i would rather him be the identity of the team,he gives you a championship defensive quality that is rare in this league,lets remember keyon was the best guard outside of dwade last year against detriot in the eastern finals,i love arroyo but he cant make that claim playing almost no minutes in detroit and no meaningful minutes in the later stages in the playoffs for detroit,its obvious that arroyo is a better scorer & passer,and runs the offense better,but at the point,it doesnt make it the best fit as a starter,notice when we played new jersey,everytime jkidd tried to take keyon down into the post they got nothing,and when i saw that i realized then that we stole a pretty good player away from miami in free agency,with him in the starting line-up this team can be a real force in the east in year 3& 4 of dhoward & jnelson's career,b/c keyon who doesnt really look to score wont take shots away from the big four when they finally get on the floor together,also keyon can help grant out against smaller two guards if grant gets in to trouble guarding some smaller two guardskeyon playing out of position (at the 2) has already showed that he can even take on the smaller two guards in the league with a defensive mindframe,and do it effectively,ask ray allen and dwade,arroyo just cant make those claims,you bring keyon off the bench and you handicap your bench scoring,you bring arroyo off the bench you never have to worry about your second unit not scoring,you have to capitalize on the strengths of your best players in the right situation's,keyon's our best defensive point guard so that makes it easy,you wouldnt take you best rebounder and put him on the bench right?

     
  • At 2:47 PM, Blogger Mike from Illinois said…

    Really good comments that make a lot of sense. But when JNelson comes back in a few weeks, I think that when he is healthy he should be the starter at the point, with Arroyo backing him up, and Dooling coming off the bench as the shooting guard. Nelson may not be as good a defender as Dooling, but he is so quick, and that quickness would give opposing guards problems. I really hope that Nelson comes back healthy so we can see how that lineup might do the last month of the season. But since Nelson is still injured now, yeah, I agree that Dooling should start at the point, with Arroyo off the bench as the spark. Dooling's versatility at either guard spot really helps.

    Knowing BHill's stubbornness, I doubt that he will make a change with the starting lineup on this road trip.

     
  • At 3:47 PM, Blogger TragicFan said…

    I agree 100% - We are not going to make the playoffs this year, so we might as well consider this a training camp for the future.

    Start the kids that you want starting next season - Get them ready.

     
  • At 5:33 PM, Blogger Big Figure said…

    BSH is the one who has to make the next move,otis made his move and improved the team,so now its up to BSH to put the best starting unit out there,jefferson & carter were both small forwards,but new jersey knew that they were the best two perimeter players that they had so theres no way you can take either off the floor,well weve seen twice that same scenario with grant & hedo in fourth quarters,in my opinion as long as grant and hedo are healthy they should start,but BSH probably looks at them as SF's and thinks you cant start two SF's,i really could care less who starts at point guard,but getting deshawn and tony out of the starting line-up is my focus,i mean other teams make drastic starter changes,new york put steve in the line-up the first night,larry brown must know something that BSH doesnt,if he used them like that,then deshawn and ariza can back the up!BSH make the change,GET HEDO AND DARKO IN PRONTO,AND TAKE DESHAWN AND TONY OUT!

     
  • At 5:51 PM, Blogger Big Figure said…

    Lately deshawn & battie has been shooting everything,but not making nothing,the guys dont even pass anymore,battie just jacks up everything,and deshawn will take it to the basket,but if he doesnt get the call,he seems uninterested for the rest of the game,every game from this point on that they remain in the starting line-up is gonna have to be won by our second units in fourth quarters,and thats just stupid,how many times are deshawn and tony gonna have to play bad for them to be replaced? Before things were different,everybody was hurt and deshawn and tony were the only guys there everyday,but now we have some pretty healthy guys,dwight and darko should be starting to become the twin towers i know they can be,and hedo and grant should start just b/c they are our best perimeter players,how are you gonna say that deshawn is better than hedo or grant,thats pretty much what BSH is saying if deshawn's not replaced,WHAT A MORON!

     
  • At 5:57 PM, Blogger Big Figure said…

    Boy,i bet you give this team to 4 or 5 of us and we'd win a championship,shit we'd make a great coaching staff!

     
  • At 6:41 PM, Blogger OVERWADED said…

    Arroyo - 6-2, 202
    Dooling - 6-3 195

    Arroyo - best season 03-04, after Stockton retired, Utah finished 42-40, 12.6 ppg 5.0 apg
    Dooling - best season has been this year, 9.5 ppg 2.3 apg

    Arroyo - Led the Puerto Rican national team; the same team that beat the USA. He led all scorers that game. He averaged 11.6 ppg and 6.4 apg throughout the games.
    Dooling - Played in all 15 postseason games, averaging 7.3 ppg., 1.7 apg. and 1.1 rpg.

    Since you made some more points, I figured I’d do the same. I agree with having bench scoring, but my biggest thing is Arroyo makes everyone around him better. Dooling, although full of energy, has never done that in his career. The most he has averaged in assists is this year at 2.3. With young big guys like Dwight and Darko, Arroyo is only going to make them better, which in turn he’ll also make life a lot easier for everyone else. A perfect example, when he is out there, the ball moves, and it frees up everyone. I’ve seen some real ugly basketball when Dooling is out there running the team, watch for it, because I'm sure Dooling will continue to start. With Arroyo, I’ve yet to see that problem. Nelson also has shown flashes that he can make others better, but I’ve yet to see that out of Dooling. Anyway, that’s my thoughts on it, and I’ll conclude it all at this. I respect everyone elses opinion that Dooling should start, he just hasn't shown me why yet, and Arroyo and Nelson have. Regardless, it’s going to be in B Hill’s hands and I have a feeling Dooling will continue to start until Nelson returns. Which I argued for Nelson to be a starter before Arroyo arrived.

     
  • At 8:05 PM, Blogger Mike from Illinois said…

    Good stats to back up your point of view on Arroyo, introvert 316. I guess it depends on what you prefer... Arroyo with the other starters, or Arroyo coming off the bench to give a spark to the team. I think we would do well with either Arroyo or Dooling starting until Nelson comes back, as long as Coach Hill plays Darko plenty of minutes, and has Battie and Stevenson coming off the bench, as Big Figure has suggested.

    As Matt said in a previous post, Trevor Ariza might not get too much playing time. I wish he could see some time off the bench, as he is a young player who has talent. How much talent... remains to be seen.

     
  • At 9:47 PM, Blogger Matt said…

    I think the debate should be who to start between the three, Jameer, Carlos and Keyon, since Jameer is close to coming back. As for Ariza, I think the best thing to do to test him in practice and some in the game situations, and if impressed, lock him up for a 3- year contract. That way you don't have to worry about losing him to free agency.

     
  • At 2:05 AM, Blogger OVERWADED said…

    I agree with you there big time on Ariza. If they see anything from him in practice and limited play, they need to keep it quiet so they can sign him without having to worry about another team throwing big dollars at him.

    An interesting thought on 2007 free agency... I really don't think the Magic will have any problem landing a "big time" free agent when that time comes around. If Dwight continues to grow, and the pieces around him continue progressing, everyone will want to come here. I don't know if anyone caught the Cavs last game, where Lebron missed like 8 shots in the 2nd half, and the fans started booing him??? I have no clue what the hell they are thinking, but as crazy as it sounds, take a look at the Cavs roster, they really have nothing to offer Lebron. I know that is a shot in the dark, but still, if Dwight and others continue to develope here, we shouldn't have a problem landing a nice free agent or two.

     
  • At 2:49 AM, Blogger Mike from Illinois said…

    Intro, the Cavs signed Larry Hughes, who had an outstanding year with the Wizards last season, as a free agent. However, his season-ending injury (broken finger) has really hurt the Cavs.

     
  • At 11:28 AM, Blogger Matt said…

    CAVS don't have all the pieces in place. They miss an above the average PG, and the PF position is in limbo with all the trade talks about Gooden. Intro is not off the mark on CAVS or a few other teams struggling to keep their stars happy. The players' nucleus to attract free agents is developing in Orlando, especially if Darko performs anywhere near his potentials. My worry is about the negative points on an average coach in Brian Hill. As I have mentioned before, players have an open book on the coaches, and most don't like to play for certain coaches with regard to their capabilities, as well as their players' relationship. Brian Hill is not regarded as a players' coach, and his capabilities are limited, for sure.

     

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