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Saturday, February 11, 2006

Magic may do a deal with Pistons

posted by OVERWADED @ 1:36 PM  

13 Comments:

  • At 3:10 PM, Blogger Mike from Illinois said…

    Cato for Milicic and Arroyo... yeah if I were the Magic I would make that trade. Milicic is only 20 yrs old, and he still has plenty of time to develop into a very good NBA player. He needs playing time, something he's not getting with the Pistons.

    Carlos Arroyo had a good rookie year with Utah and DET in 04-05, but has regressed this year because his playing time has dropped dramatically. Still, he's only 26 and can be a solid NBA pt guard off the bench.

    Interesting to hear Otis Smith say that he likes the Magic team that was put together, but all the injuries haven't afforded them the chance to play together. That may be true, but we still should have a better record than we do.

    To be fair to BHill, yes, the injuries (GHill, Nelson, and Cato) have hurt the Magic depth and normal player rotation, but that's still no excuse for him to be so stubborn and unwilling to change the player rotation or the game plan when things are going bad. We've lost 7 out of 8 games; anyone can see that Hill's current strategy isn't working.

     

  • At 4:51 PM, Blogger OVERWADED said…

    I love the trade. I doubt it will happen, but I still love the idea of Darko coming in here for a fresh start. If it doesn't happen here, it'll happen on another team. It's obvious nothing is going to happen with his career in Detroit, except continue losing confidence, that is if he has any left. It's been the worst possible situation for him. Hopefully he's learned a few things in practice from the Wallaces and McDyess.

    Brian Hill has done a decent job for us on the defensive end even though he doesn't prepare the team well. Injuries have hurt the team obviously. The biggest problem is this team has no clue on the offensive end. Everytime down the floor they run something different, which usually ends up in a player taking a tough shot, or going one of one. I've never seen a team so lost on the offensive end of things. If we had a pure PG out there like Nash, that would take care of it. Nelson has shown signs, along with Francis. Nelson has a better chance of being that guy. Francis changes how he plays game to game as of now. I guess all we can do is sit back and wait, because who knows what is going to happen when it comes to think team.

     

  • At 8:17 PM, Blogger Matt said…

    Millicic earns over 5 million next year and Arroyo 4 million for 2 more seasons after this one. There is no need for Arroyo's services in a Magic uniform and it is hard to move him for what he makes. Therefore, we are getting Millicic for the excess of 9 million and for that price that's the kind of deal that somebody like wise Ottis will go for. Millicic was slow to develop and if he was any good in practices, god knows that Detroit needs a good tall center, and they would have used him. May be he is another Steven Hunter who would never learn the basic sets in NBA. Bad deal in my opinion. With Cato's 8 million salary off the book we should be able to find a good center without the unnecessary baggage of Arroyo.

     

  • At 9:16 PM, Blogger Matt said…

    Another word of wisdom from wise Ottis: "Like they say, if you're not getting better, you're getting worse.". Would you please spare us from making us better? Much obliged.

     

  • At 3:50 AM, Blogger OVERWADED said…

    It's well worth the risk in my opinion. First of all, 4 million a year is not much in the NBA. Arroyo still shows promise, and him coming here would be another sign that Francis is on his way out. Which I know some might not be fans of, even though I still see it happening. And Detroit needs a good tall center since when??? They play better defense than any other team in the league. I don't know that there is a "center" in the league that could come on that team and take one of the Wallaces spot. They've beaten Shaq(the most dominant big man in the league) 2 years in a row now, Jermaine O'Neal, no problem, and they should have won the finals last year. The Pistons are a perfect example of why you don't always have to have that "prototypical" player. Sure, Ben isn't 7ft, but he defends with the best of them. Sure Sheed is the taller of the two, but shoots more 3's than most guards in the NBA, but it works, and works well. In the years before they had solid big men coming off the bench, Okur, Elden, and now they have Mcdyess. There has been no spot for a young guy like Darko on that championship team. Think about Jermaine O'Neal, when the Blazer's were on the verge of the NBA Finals for a few years, did anyone realize he was on the end of the bench?

     

  • At 9:56 AM, Blogger Matt said…

    I don't agree with the logic of Introvert316's opinion. Let me put it in simple terms:

    1 - We will have 8 million off the books next season (not 2 seasons after) and if we choose to sign a center we could get a proven one with no "if"s and "but"s attached.
    2 - We haven't settled the situation with Francis yet, but for the sake of argument let's assume that he is traded. We have 3 point guards (Keyon, Jameer and Travis) all capable and better than Arroyo.
    3 - Sure Detroit is good with Ben in center but they may still need bigger and taller players to deal with big and tall centers. Rasheed is no help against big centers although taller than Ben because he is too light. Detroit has to scramble in that position to cover deficiencies.

     

  • At 10:25 AM, Blogger Matt said…

    As for McDyess, at 6-9 and 245 he is a PF who lacks size or defensive abilities to fill in at center.

     

  • At 11:08 AM, Blogger Big Figure said…

    Ok guys,let me be the voice of reason,that can settle your debate,matt intro's right about darko,the boy needs time on the floor point blank,there's no way you can tell me a seven footer with offensive game who isnt clumsy,isnt worth the risk for some team,we took the same risk with cato,and we see how thats turned out,darko wouldnt have gotten any meaningful minutes in detriot b/s of the stars,he needs a place that will depend on him getting better as the face of the franchise,just like we did with dwight! And intro,matt's right too,that place isnt orlando,as much as i hate to say it,b/c at this point i'd take anything for cato b/c of the fact that cato's injury prone and darko's 20 and uninjured,but the truth is we already have dwight,and darko doesnt compliment dwight,ceters who specialize in defense or can shoot an outside shot and play defense are the type of players you put beside dwight (like cato & battie),cato can defend and tony can shoot it,but the most important fact is neither takes shots away from dwight in the post,darko would,he needs a team where he can be the focal point,thats not orlando,and we damn sure dont need another point guard,arroyo isnt the scorer jameer is,and isnt the defender that keyon is,and the fact that travis is cheap,he aint as cheap as trav,so all in all this is a trade that will never happen,trades happen when they make since,and this one doesnt!

     

  • At 11:32 AM, Blogger Matt said…

    Big Figure, don't be too sure though. With wise Ottis Smith in charge, he will make it make sense.

     

  • At 2:44 PM, Blogger OVERWADED said…

    1. Tell me who there is out there that is a "decent" big man that we can land in the summer? We should have 2 summers in a row with the ability to land a decent free agent. I just don't know who is out there. I know Ben Wallace is, but there is no way he's leaving Detroit. Is there anyone else, even if he is not a big men?

    2. I'm not a fan of Arroyo anyway, and I never have been. I am a fan of Dooling, Nelson, and Diener, so that question would have to be answered, especially with Francis still on the roster. So yes, there is no place for Arroyo as it stands.

    3. Bigger and taller centers like who? Yeah, they don't exist... There is Shaq, who they've handle no problem. There is Yao, who is totally overrated. And Duncan and J O'Neal who are as good as PF's. Dwight Howard will be one of the few big men they need to worry about once he fills out. The fact of the matter with Detroit is they have been the best defensive team in the league for at least 3 years straight, and Big Ben is the anchor. Sheed is the other big that compliments what they do on the defensive end. Sure they'll always need another big coming off the bench for sub purposes, give one those two a rest, and for fouls, but there is nobody that could step in and replace that duo and do it as well as they do.

    Finally, Darko hasn't shown what he can do, and what kind of player he is going to be. I never pictured him being a "franchise player". I do think he'll play a solid role one of these years. He's a 7 footer. You can tell he does he work in the weight room. He was known for defense, and for being a tough kid, with an offensive talent that started with a jumper. I don't see why he couldn't compliment Dwight? He could be a lot like Battie, but better. Battie, despite having a wonderful year, is more the type of guy you want coming off your bench anyway. Either way, the fact of the matter is we need another big man badly. Cato is as good as gone, and Kasun obviously isn't going to be filling that any role.

     

  • At 3:34 PM, Blogger Big Figure said…

    Intro i'm on your side in this debate from one standpoint,anything's better than cato right now,the guy has just been horrible for half of last season and most of this one,even when he's played he still wasnt playing at a high level,so at this point how can i say logically that an uninjured darko wouldnt help us more than cato? Facts are facts,and i'm man enough to admit them,if you could work a straight up deal,darko for cato,and not have to take on arroyo's contract,i'd jump on it in a heart beat,shit you might be right,you stick darko beside dwight,darko might do all the things dwight wont,ala tony battie,i'm sure dwight would love to focus on rebounding a little more (as if he needs to improve on being the best),which would allow darko to show off some of his game,and if it doesnt work out,he's still young and seven foot,you could always trade him!

     

  • At 3:46 PM, Blogger Big Figure said…

    Us getting rid of an injured player,for a good young uninjured player,i think would equate to a win for the magic for a change,we're usually on the other side,they should pull the deal then,just on that fact alone,we've got to take advantage of anything that falls in our lap,b/c god knows we arent making smart enough decision's as an organization to be able to say that we scupted our success(if we ever have any again)!

     

  • At 3:48 PM, Blogger Big Figure said…

    Thats "sculpted",sorry!

     

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